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Refillable

01-08-2015, 01:59 PM

Hi,

I'm researching the compressor types in the thread title. So far I've looked at:

IK vintage compressor bundle: €60. I'm a little confused by this one, because if I only want the White 2A, the price is €79.99. The reason I only want the White 2A, is because I'm interested in

Stillwell The Rocket: No brainer. I wish Stillwell made a LA2A-style compressor.

Hornet Channelstrip MK2: Is this plugin any good? It has 1176 (FET) and LA2A (opto), but I'm not sure if the emulations are any good.

The easiest is to just buy the IK bundle, but I'm a little curious on the options. Any recommendations?


Fergler

01-08-2015, 02:06 PM

Need or want? :D

The SStillwell/1175 is based on the 1176 design. ReaComp is also capable of the same ridiculously small attack settings.

The SStillwell/majortom is like an LA2A in Feedback detection source mode.

Both are bundled with Reaper JS effects


Refillable

01-08-2015, 02:08 PM

Need or want? :D

The SStillwell/1175 is based on the 1176 design. ReaComp is also capable of the same ridiculously small attack settings.

The SStillwell/majortom is like an LA2A in Feedback detection source mode.

Both are bundled with Reaper JS effects

Fair enough. I want. :)

Edit: thanks for your reply. I'll try you suggestions.


jpanderson80

01-08-2015, 02:30 PM

The SStillwell/majortom is like an LA2A in Feedback detection source mode.


Need. It's fine; I understand.

Major Tom in feedback mode... I'm going to check this out. I guess I've not used this too much. I'm not a huge fan of the DBX160 sound, so I just never paid it much attention. Homework tonight!


Refillable

01-08-2015, 02:40 PM

What about the Hornet?


cprompt

01-08-2015, 03:11 PM

IK vintage compressor bundle: €60. I'm a little confused by this one, because if I only want the White 2A, the price is €79.99. The reason I only want the White 2A, is because I'm interested in

Don't be confused - it's an amazingly priced bundle and yes, the whole bundle is cheaper than any of its component plugins. I bought it!

Hornet Channelstrip MK2: Is this plugin any good? It has 1176 (FET) and LA2A (opto), but I'm not sure if the emulations are any good.
I own a whole bunch of the Hornet plugins, including the Channelstrip. I have to say, as much as I love the other plugins, I just don't get on with this one - the GUI is too small and I just don't "get" the compressors. Others have said they are great but they don't float my boat. The Hornet Multicomp/Multicomp Plus are supposed to be pretty awesome though.

The easiest is to just buy the IK bundle, but I'm a little curious on the options. Any recommendations?
Yes, the IK bundle, because it's cheap, sounds amazing and you get an 1176 as well :D


alex1073

01-08-2015, 03:35 PM

Actually at some moment I wanted them too, but it was either iLok or various LMs and similar things that were unacceptable for me. Unfortunately no one from small indie devs made a really good emulation of those two. So, I'm curious what Quinto (sKnote) will do with singles in stripBus v.3 (there are already opto 2A and 76 hidden behind the SSL UI atm, which work rather good (not the direct emulations, tho). So, I can simulate how those two work close enough with my comps, anyway. Now, I somehow lost the interest, but if somebody offered great emulations, without iLok, LM etc, why not, I would probably buy them.

Cheers,
Alex


Fergler

01-08-2015, 03:43 PM

Oh, I also forgot there are some free emulations that are very good by Atress:

'Modern Lost Angel' (LA2A)
'Modern Seventh Sign' (1176)

http://antress.blogspot.ca/

Personally I find ReaComp does the same job as both of those with more tweakability, however I do use Modern Vacuum and Modern VFME (not available on that page but can be found on rekkerd.com) for Vacuum's transient handling and VFME's colour.


gpunk_w

01-08-2015, 03:47 PM

I would avoid SKnote, he disappears regularly and his updates come a lot less frequent than his announcements.
IK i wont go in to, terrible company and not a big fan of their plugins anyway
Stillwell, all works, sound good
Hornet, terrible support if you have an issue, plugins are buggy at best

My personal favourites for the 1176 and LA2A are the Softube ones From Native Instruments, they work, they sound great and thats that for me haha


kindafishy

01-08-2015, 03:48 PM

The mighty Klanghelm DC8C also does both the LA2A and 1176 things (and DBX, and many other styles).


jpanderson80

01-08-2015, 03:49 PM

I like PSP's Oldtimer a lot for slow compression. It is smooth and rich.
(or for very light compression and simply VIBE)


gpunk_w

01-08-2015, 03:50 PM

The mighty Klanghelm DC8C also does both the LA2A and 1176 things (and DBX, and many other styles).

I own this and never use it, maybe i am just not geek enough about compression, i just prefer to use an old style interface with a few controls


kindafishy

01-08-2015, 03:55 PM

I own this and never use it, maybe i am just not geek enough about compression, i just prefer to use an old style interface with a few controls

The Easy Mode is really just threshold, ratio, attack and release (if you ignore the 'colours' buttons below the meters).

I love this compressor because it is simply the best sounding algo compressor I own and it does everything. Not just everything, it does everything very, very well.


jpanderson80

01-08-2015, 03:56 PM

I own this and never use it, maybe i am just not geek enough about compression, i just prefer to use an old style interface with a few controls

I agree... the less controls the more in control I feel most of the time. But Fishy said it and I trust that. And it's not the first time that he and others have said it. So much homework tonight!

EDIT: Just looked it up and saw that it has an EASY mode with less knobs! Yeah DC8C!


Magicbuss

01-08-2015, 03:59 PM

I'm not a fan of antress. They look the part but dont sound it.

The IK bundle is nice for the price

Also take a good look at the NI vintage compressors which were (strangely) coded by softube.

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/komplete/effects/vintage-compressors/

For a free 1176 check out the audiocation AC-1
https://www.audiocation.de/plugin

For The cost of a computer music magazine you can get there free CM plugin bundle which contains Hornets FAT FET 1176 emulation
http://www.hornetplugins.com/plugins/hornet-fat-fet/

For a cheap 1176 its stillwells rocket all the way.

For an LA2A you could do ALOT worse than the free ThrillseekerLA. Its quite good and an obvious take on the popular optical compressor with a few additions.
http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/thrillseekerla-released-today/

Speaking of additions...If i was gonna spend a little more I would take a hard look at Softubes Summit TLA100 compressor. Its an emulation of Summits tricked out LA2a style comp. Similar LA2A in action and sound but alot more control without being overwheming. Sort of the expensive version of ThrillseekerLA.
http://www.softube.com/index.php?id=tla100

There's also the Softube CL1B which is yet another emulation of yet another LA2A on steroids.
http://www.softube.com/index.php?id=cl1b


gpunk_w

01-08-2015, 04:02 PM

The Easy Mode is really just threshold, ratio, attack and release (if you ignore the 'colours' buttons below the meters).

I love this compressor because it is simply the best sounding algo compressor I own and it does everything. Not just everything, it does everything very, very well.

I just think it is overly complicated (I suspect that its own developer does too, wait for his upcoming releases, i think you will see much simplified)
I really think DC8C is a major letdown in usability compared to SDRR


kindafishy

01-08-2015, 04:05 PM

I will also mention, for anyone who uses Nebula (and don't let them tell you Nebula doesn't do compression because that is far in the past and I can prove it), check out Tim Petherick's 1176 and Summit 100a (which as MagicBuss said is along the lines of an LA2A). You need to own Nebula 3 Pro or Server of course, but if you do, these libraries are very, very inexpensive.

http://www.timpetherick.co.uk/downloads/category/compressors/

...and here is the proof that Tim's 1176 does it all the way:

3hz1lRGqy8k

I just purchased both of these libraries a couple days ago, but I haven't put them through their paces yet. I am starting a new mix so, I'll give them a shot.


Magicbuss

01-08-2015, 04:07 PM

I own this and never use it, maybe i am just not geek enough about compression, i just prefer to use an old style interface with a few controls

I own it too and I'm not sure how you can say that considering it has easy mode which gives you the same old style compressor controls pretty much every comp has. Threshold, ratio, attack and release. I almost never use expert mode.

Sure the LA2A only really has 2 controls but that is the exception not the norm.


gpunk_w

01-08-2015, 04:09 PM

Erm, we are talking about 1176 and LA2A
Have you ever actually used them, they ahve a lot less controls than easy mode on DC8C haha


sinkmusic

01-08-2015, 04:18 PM

The mighty Klanghelm DC8C also does both the LA2A and 1176 things (and DBX, and many other styles).
Out of curiosity, in which modes does it do La2A and 1176 ?

For LA2A, you may try VoS ThrillSeeker LA :
http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/2012/03/02/thrillseekerla-released-today/
http://varietyofsound.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/thrillseekerla_open.png


kindafishy

01-08-2015, 04:25 PM

Out of curiosity, in which modes does it do La2A and 1176 ?

Start with presets and tweak from there:
- LA2A is STYLES -> Ali Toohey
- 1176 (at least all buttons) is FX -> Distortion


...and yeah, agree, ThrillSeeker is very nice as well


sinkmusic

01-08-2015, 04:26 PM

Thank you.


chas51

01-08-2015, 04:27 PM

"Speaking of additions...If i was gonna spend a little more I would take a hard look at Softubes Summit TLA100 compressor. Its an emulation of Summits tricked out LA2a style comp. Similar LA2A in action and sound but alot more control without being overwheming. Sort of the expensive version of ThrillseekerLA.
http://www.softube.com/index.php?id=tla100"

I got this.
I like it.

also got the Softube CL 1B.
I don't know how to get a good sound out of it yet, but I haven't used it much yet either.
its just for my super simple application, (recording singing and acoustic guitar with 1 mic), I get a nice sound right away with the TLA 100a.
mind you, very much a beginner at all of this recording stuff, even after all these years.


Magicbuss

01-08-2015, 04:32 PM

"Speaking of additions...If i was gonna spend a little more I would take a hard look at Softubes Summit TLA100 compressor. Its an emulation of Summits tricked out LA2a style comp. Similar LA2A in action and sound but alot more control without being overwheming. Sort of the expensive version of ThrillseekerLA.
http://www.softube.com/index.php?id=tla100"

I got this.
I like it.

also got the Softube CL 1B.
I don't know how to get a good sound out of it yet, but I haven't used it much yet either.
its just for my super simple application, (recording singing and acoustic guitar with 1 mic), I get a nice sound right away with the TLA 100a.
mind you, very much a beginner at all of this recording stuff, even after all these years.

I agree. I've demo'd both and i prefer the TLA-100. Hard to make it sound bad.


richie43

01-08-2015, 04:42 PM

Nebula is my first choice for both 1176 and La2a, but if you haven't jumped into the Nebula/Acqua bottomless pit yet (lol), the La2a from IK and Cakewalk both are very good in my opinion. For the 1176, if I wasn't using Nebula I'd stick with the Stillwell.


chas51

01-08-2015, 05:21 PM

I agree. I've demo'd both and i prefer the TLA-100. Hard to make it sound bad.

right on brother.


Refillable

01-09-2015, 12:26 AM

Lot of good replies here. I'll compile a list when I get back to the computer.

Considering that the original la2a had (more or less) variable ratio and variable release, depending on the source material, wouldn't it be possible to emulate this behavior with Reacomp using parameter modulation?


richie43

01-09-2015, 12:52 AM

Lot of good replies here. I'll compile a list when I get back to the computer.

Considering that the original la2a had (more or less) variable ratio and variable release, depending on the source material, wouldn't it be possible to emulate this behavior with Reacomp using parameter modulation?

Check THIS (http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=101090&highlight=LA2A+control+for+reacomp) thread...interesting stuff regarding reacomp and LA2A behavior.


airon

01-09-2015, 03:13 AM

Start with presets and tweak from there:
- LA2A is STYLES -> Ali Toohey
- 1176 (at least all buttons) is FX -> Distortion

...and yeah, agree, ThrillSeeker is very nice as well

Thanks. I almost never use presets, but for the DC8C2, I realize now that it may be necessary to get good jumping off points.


@Gpunkw:
The program dependent attack and release, shape and feedback controls are things you should take a close look at. The manual is short and concise about those. Some tooltips would have helped me there.

I absolutely agree that the DC8C2 could use an easier going GUI, even if that means it implements a couple of more EASY control pages. The DMG Audio do-it-all compressor had the same problem.


sinkmusic

01-09-2015, 03:28 AM

Thanks. I almost never use presets, but for the DC8C2, I realize now that it may be necessary to get good jumping off points.
Yes : the presets on the DC8C2 are very good starting points, giving you a good insight about some clever compression techniques.
It's very well worth trying them.


alex1073

01-09-2015, 04:50 AM

I would avoid SKnote, he disappears regularly and his updates come a lot less frequent than his announcements.
IK i wont go in to, terrible company and not a big fan of their plugins anyway
Stillwell, all works, sound good
Hornet, terrible support if you have an issue, plugins are buggy at best

My personal favourites for the 1176 and LA2A are the Softube ones From Native Instruments, they work, they sound great and thats that for me haha

That's true, but when Quinto nail it then you get some of the finest plugs you can find. At least he always replays to e-mails and will give you money for the plugin back at any time (no time limit i think) and no questions asked.

IK, there we agree.

Hornet - I don't know.

As, I've said, nobody from small indie devs still hasn't made a good 1176 or LA-2A emulation.

Cheers,
Alex


Colox

01-09-2015, 06:36 AM

Best ones I tried so far are the Native Instruments ones.
Haven't tried the UAD ones though. They may be closer to the originals since they also model any funkyness.


citizenkeith

01-09-2015, 06:41 AM

This isn't an emulation of anything, but a fine compressor worth trying:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=125857

http://forum.cockos.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=18942&stc=1&d=1373965082


djjedidiah

01-09-2015, 11:12 AM

3rd vote for the Native Instruments 1176 and LA-2A here. Softube coded and I seem to put them on everything that I don't use the Waves Renaissance compressor on. Even the 160 that came bundled with them has some uses.

That being said, the IK stuff is supposed to be good, that's a good price, and they do have one feature none of the others have: they work in M/S mode (interesting, although I've never felt like I was missing it. More of a mastering function I think).

Just checked the website and there is a $75 bundle that has the 1176, LA-2A, 670, and an opto comp. That's pretty awesome.


Hi,

I'm researching the compressor types in the thread title. So far I've looked at:

IK vintage compressor bundle: €60. I'm a little confused by this one, because if I only want the White 2A, the price is €79.99. The reason I only want the White 2A, is because I'm interested in

Stillwell The Rocket: No brainer. I wish Stillwell made a LA2A-style compressor.

Hornet Channelstrip MK2: Is this plugin any good? It has 1176 (FET) and LA2A (opto), but I'm not sure if the emulations are any good.

The easiest is to just buy the IK bundle, but I'm a little curious on the options. Any recommendations?


I have recently bought the Hornet channel strip MKII mostly for the compressors and it has become my go to. Super light on cpu. Sounds very good and to my ears was less hyped then the 1176-LA2A from IK. The VCA mode plus the eq makes it kinda like an SSL channel strip but you get 1176-La2a in bonus.... in fact you get 2 of them cause there's two compressor in the strip. La2a fallowed by a 1176 fallowed by a console type Eq.. CHECK.

Check out his new compressor the Multicomp Plus for some added feature.

You won't be disappointed


Refillable

01-10-2015, 06:38 AM

Check THIS (http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=101090&highlight=LA2A+control+for+reacomp) thread...interesting stuff regarding reacomp and LA2A behavior.

Wow. That's cool. I received my new computer now. Installing W7 now. I'll take a look.


HoRNet

01-10-2015, 03:54 PM

I have recently bought the Hornet channel strip MKII mostly for the compressors and it has become my go to. Super light on cpu. Sounds very good and to my ears was less hyped then the 1176-LA2A from IK. The VCA mode plus the eq makes it kinda like an SSL channel strip but you get 1176-La2a in bonus.... in fact you get 2 of them cause there's two compressor in the strip. La2a fallowed by a 1176 fallowed by a console type Eq.. CHECK.

Check out his new compressor the Multicomp Plus for some added feature.

You won't be disappointed

You've got the point! I designed the ChannelStrip exactly with this in mind, instead of using 2/3 plugins you have everything inside a single processor, with the added bonus of being able to switch compressor type on the fly without having to change parameters each time.

Saverio
hornetplugins.com


Lee Flier

01-10-2015, 11:30 PM

I'm a snob. I have a UAD-2 card so I have the UA 1176 and LA2A plugs.


richie43

01-11-2015, 12:06 AM

I'm a snob. I have a UAD-2 card so I have the UA 1176 and LA2A plugs.

I'm a bigger snob and don't need the card...Nebula for the win....;)


Refillable

02-24-2015, 03:26 PM

I bought the IK vintage compressor bundle. I've messed around with it for an hour or so and A/B'd the LA2A and 1176 in series against 2 instances of Reacomp in series (first with fast attack (1176) and second with more or less LA2A settings). I'm not sure if iK's are worth it. Reacomp stacks up VERY nicely. I need to play around with the IK's a bit more. But so far, I feel that Reacomp and Molot sound just as good.


gpunk_w

02-24-2015, 06:56 PM

Reacomp is better than everything from IK in my book haha


MotionMindz

03-10-2015, 05:20 AM

I bought the IK vintage compressor bundle. I've messed around with it for an hour or so and A/B'd the LA2A and 1176 in series against 2 instances of Reacomp in series (first with fast attack (1176) and second with more or less LA2A settings). I'm not sure if iK's are worth it. Reacomp stacks up VERY nicely. I need to play around with the IK's a bit more. But so far, I feel that Reacomp and Molot sound just as good.

And what are your settings? Recomp is very good but not great.


Banned

03-10-2015, 05:44 AM

I'm not a snob at all, but imho Universal Audio's emulations are the best by far. Their latest revisions even blow their original versions out of the water (while emulations by other vendors could barely even touch them).

Also let me add yet another vote against anything IKM - their plug-ins suck, and indeed, the company sucks even more.


Refillable

03-10-2015, 05:48 AM

And what are your settings? Recomp is very good but not great.

After spending more time with the IK processors, I appreciate them more. Easy to use, and they are in the ballpark compared to hardware. But I still get great results with Reacomp when I want good, clean compression. I don't remember the settings. I just did a quick comparison.


Banned

03-10-2015, 05:59 AM

After spending more time with the IK processors, I appreciate them more. Easy to use, and they are in the ballpark compared to hardware.
Imho, apart for their pretty GUIs perhaps, they're not even on the driveway to the parking lot next to the ballpark! ;)


serstickman

03-10-2015, 06:04 AM

IK plugs rock. Love the 2A, 1176 is great. Also love the mastering EQ a lot.


Refillable

03-10-2015, 06:14 AM

Imho, apart for their pretty GUIs perhaps, they're not even on the driveway to the parking lot next to the ballpark! ;)

Well, as long as I feel I'm Bonham when compressing the room mic with the IK Black 76, that's good enough for me. :)


technogremlin

03-10-2015, 06:25 AM

I do believe that some compressors are better than other ones. But I also believe that there are a lot of good compressors and you just need to find a way to use them (Dave Pensado calls it 'the soft spot' :D). No need to have 'that specific' compressor or emulation, just something that is 'in the realm of'.

Researching for a good vocal chain, and compressors for that, I came across a suggestion to use a LA2A with very soft settings, basically in 'soft limiter' mode, and using a DBX160 after that with fairly fast settings for smashing any peaks that where not caught by the LA2A. It was said that this scenario sounds super sweet on vocals. Well, being the 'all freeware guy' that I am, I tried setting up something similar with VOS ThrillseekerLA (mentioned before in this topic) and after that DeLaMancha's Sixtyfive, which is a DBX165 emulation of sorts. Result: ultra smooth vocal compression and my default compression setup for vocals from now on.

I just posted a track in the collaboration forum that uses this on the vocals. It sounds not compressed at all but it is actually pretty heavy compressed. So it works as advertised ;)


Banned

03-10-2015, 06:30 AM

Well, as long as I feel I'm Bonham when compressing the room mic with the IK Black 76, that's good enough for me. :)
I hope you still feel *alive* then. ;)


UAD versions of the 1176 & LA-2A still win by a mile. These are actually good enough that you can record the raw audio digitally and use them after the fact in the mix and get very comparable results to an analog unit in the recording chain. These 2 plugins especially are the reason UAD exists and people continue to put up with their (now pretty obsolete) PCI hardware system.

Waves comes in a distant 2nd place with their versions.

The Bomb Factory versions are an example of a simulation of the front panel of the hardware unit only. Zero relation to the sound and actually very crude and nearly useless in operation.

Emulating the detector response of some of the nicer sounding/responding hardware compressors (especially for vocal riding) is apparently still somewhat elusive in digital modeling (much like amp sims). For straight forward clinical compression needs, the ReaComp is just fine and very flexible.


stratotak

03-10-2015, 09:47 AM

All you guys with your fancy 1176 and Fairchild and ,etc...Im so jealous.I can only imagine all those top hit songs you must have mixed with your fancy plugins.Tell me more about how these great emulation plugins have made you so successful and respected in the audio engineering world.

I guarantee you you set down any of these well know mixers and had them just use the plugins in Reaper they would come out with a good mix.


kindafishy

03-10-2015, 09:55 AM

I have not had the pleasure of trying the UAD plugins, but they seem to get high praise, generally speaking.

I mentioned Tim Petherick's Nebula based U76 and Sum 100a compressors on page one of this thread, but I had not yet had the time to honestly and objectively (or subjectively) evaluate them. Now that I have, I can say without any question that these represent the very best sounding and most wonderfully behaving compressors I have ever personally used, which includes many hours of auditioning and comparing Waves, Slate, IK, Acustica's own Acqua and Klanghelm offerings.

In my opinion, all of those are perfectly usable and it is clear that they can (and do) contribute as critical tools to great mixes, but Tim's libraries came out on top for me with every comparison, with no exceptions.

Everyone has different ears, different expectations and different goals of course, but I for one, am happy to say that my search for my favourite sounding compressors (of the 76 and 100a/LA2A variety) was officially completed some time ago. Feels good.


All you guys with your fancy 1176 and Fairchild and ,etc...Im so jealous.I can only imagine all those top hit songs you must have mixed with your fancy plugins.Tell me more about how these great emulation plugins have made you so successful and respected in the audio engineering world.

I guarantee you you set down any of these well know mixers and had them just use the plugins in Reaper they would come out with a good mix.

Can you say sour grapes? :D

I picked these up a good ten years ago when they were the TDM (only) bundle for Protools for $400. Back then they were shockingly better than everything else. I got the PCI card off ebay when it was either upgrade to their new PCI model or move on. Got the 670 you mentioned with the rebate at that time and yeah, this one is the real deal too and I use it a lot. If I had to buy them today, it might be a lot harder to justify with their price hiked up now and PCI card-needing business here in 2015.

I don't make hit records. I think what are called hit record today (Kanya West? Taylor Swift?!) suck and sound quality is a moot point. They sound 'freeze dried' and crushed. Try to turn them up and you'll put an ear out!

I just like tools that make things easy. Being able to simply record digitally raw and get away with a plugin compressor after the fact is just awesome! I don't have the budget for a rack of 1176's. (Again, not making hit records and not striking it rich.) Simple as that.

But if there's some hipster thing where working with intentional limitations makes you happy then go for it! :D

I just play guitar (not enough), run live sound, record everything, make albums for local people and love the technology that came about to make it easy and fun (and even possible for me in the first place). Having all the power of a recording studio for live sound is a dream come true! I don't understand the hipster love for low res digital (16 bit, mp3, etc), that band that you hear everywhere with the robot voice (autotune), or how anyone can listen to Kanya West, The Black Eye Peas, etc without rolling their eyes and laughing. Now get off my lawn! :D


hermitcrab

04-06-2015, 05:10 PM

He He thats funny Serr and stratotak.

I would love to try these UA plugins mind, they are mean't to be good.

Need or want? :D

The SStillwell/1175 is based on the 1176 design. ReaComp is also capable of the same ridiculously small attack settings.

The SStillwell/majortom is like an LA2A in Feedback detection source mode.

Both are bundled with Reaper JS effects

I think you are right Fergler. I A/B 'ed IK multimedias LA2A with Klanghems free DC1A in relaxed mode and reapers stillwell 1175 with IK 76 and there really wasn't much in it to me. I tried the major tom like you said and in soft mode and that is very similar to the LA2A also.

I know the reaper FX don't have any modelled analogue features of some of these emulations ( or higher oversampling options i think ) but you can add your own subtle saturations with various good free ( or very cheap ) plugins at least. Airwindows have a few good free ones like channel4 for AU.

There are some other good cross platform free compressors too….DCAM FreeComp for example.

I am skint as a…….but i might have to try sknotes stripBus for a few more analogue sounds. They also have approximations of these type of comps in them.

Cheers


serstickman

04-06-2015, 05:29 PM

I use the IK 2A and 1176. They work great. No complaints.


hermitcrab

04-06-2015, 05:50 PM

I use the IK 2A and 1176. They work great. No complaints.

They sounded good. I would be happy to use them too. I am no expert like, they might be doing extra things but i can't hear them tonight anyway ! Nice and easy to use. If i had the money i would probably have spent quite a bit on plugins….i was just thinking i can't tell much or any difference other than maybe a hint more saturation on some, but the compressor characteristics of them seem broadly achievable with the above plugins. Some of them are stillwell's JS versions of his commercial VST plugins ( minus features like oversampling, better CPU efficiency, GUI/meteres ) and both he and Klanghelm seem to have good reputations also.

cheers


Cosmic

04-06-2015, 10:00 PM

I would avoid SKnote, he disappears regularly and his updates come a lot less frequent than his announcements.
IK i wont go in to, terrible company and not a big fan of their plugins anyway
Stillwell, all works, sound good
Hornet, terrible support if you have an issue, plugins are buggy at best

My personal favourites for the 1176 and LA2A are the Softube ones From Native Instruments, they work, they sound great and thats that for me haha

Is that so.

How much support do you require to operate a simple compressor plug in?

And if it borks..would you someone to come round and unbork it?


gpunk_w

04-06-2015, 11:35 PM

Is that so.

How much support do you require to operate a simple compressor plug in?

And if it borks..would you someone to come round and unbork it?

You are kidding right ?
If a plugin does not work as advertised i expect a reply to emails !


steki

04-07-2015, 01:34 PM

My favs for this term are:
- Hardware and hardware clones (no plugin can beat it yet and how it reacts)
- UAD versions (near the hardware and how it reacts to audio)
- protools bombfactory (for 1176, but only usable in protools)
- antress seven sign & bootsy thrillseeker (works for 75% of all situations and if you don't need much gain reduction)
- softube fet and vc2a (identical with the native instruments version)

I don't like the waves versions. Too much crazy distortion and sounds curious on higher levels

Cheap 1176 hardware alternatives are:
warm audio, fmr pbc6a, mxr mr87, mxr 136, cali76, altec 1612a, dbx160...


hermitcrab

04-08-2015, 10:00 AM

Had another listen to the IK 2A and it is doing something very subtle to the balance which i like ( a bit of presence ) and can't replicate with DC1A or major tom with saturation plugs. It is also more overtly compressed for the same amount of GR to me which i like - adds excitement. Never tried a HW LA2A but this plugin kind of does the same trick as my old HW Joe meek VC1 ( only not quite as nice ). Would add up if one of first in signal chain. Very subtle but Interesting effect.


hermitcrab

03-06-2016, 01:02 PM

old thread but just to mention, I've found the free version of pod farm 2 has the compressor which is modelled on la2a and i A/B'ed it with AT white 2A and it levelled the signal better on a very uneven bass guitar which required max GR and had more bite with less distortion. It may not be quite as heavy in the low mids but added a lot of thickness. i like it a lot and its free.


G-Sun

03-06-2016, 01:38 PM

Reacomp is better than everything from IK in my book haha
What are your settings for 1176 and LA2A style?


beingmf

03-06-2016, 03:41 PM

Depends on what you expect from the plugin. If it's merely the shape of the attack/release curves, then The Rocket and indeed the HorNet are great. I remember the Cakewalk as pretty nice, too.

If you want "tone", then you have no choice but Nebula/Acqua. Nebula: U76, Sum100a V2, Opto, C660, 4KD, CLG, VTD and (!) the Calrec Limiter are above anything I've heard in the algo world. EDIT: just tried the Flucti-Mew demo. OMG. :)

Oh - I forgot the UBK-1. It's hefty, but you can tame it. A great piece of software.

The Amethyst though is the ultimate - if you want smooth EQ (the contrary of a Neve), juicy preamp tone (the contrary of "gritty") and a mind blowing fast compressor (neither an 1176 nor an LA2A though :)) in one channel strip. Go ahead and buy it. It's that good.


Judders

03-07-2016, 08:07 AM

I've had the IK and NI/Softube 1176 plugins for years. I never really liked them so much, and wondered if maybe I just wouldn't like the sound of the hardware. Then I used the Slate 1176 emulation and think it sounds great, but nothing like the IK/NI ones. If shootouts are worth anything, the Slate 1176 is at least up there with UAD.

I'm not so interested in emulation accuracy though. All I know is that if you stick the FG116 on a bass guitar or vocal, it does very nice things to it :)


G-Sun

03-07-2016, 08:51 AM

I find plugins that don't have lower ratio than 4:1 is just out of the game for me.
I understand it for hardware in the 70s, but now..


Judders

03-07-2016, 08:55 AM

I find plugins that don't have lower ratio than 4:1 is just out of the game for me.
I understand it for hardware in the 70s, but now..

I've always used 1176 style comps for either brutal slamming, or trimming of peaks. Neither of which would really suit a ratio of less than 4:1.


karbomusic

03-07-2016, 09:21 AM

I've always used 1176 style comps for either brutal slamming, or trimming of peaks. Neither of which would really suit a ratio of less than 4:1.

I have 1176s (minus the extra bells/whistles) in UA my 4-710D preamps. I almost always use them when tracking on the way in - especially on bass and vocals. They just work.


Judders

03-07-2016, 09:22 AM

I have 1176s (minus the extra bells/whistles) in UA my 4-710D preamps. I almost always use them when tracking on the way in - especially on bass and vocals. They just work.

Yeah, it wasn't until I used the Slate 1176 that I got the whole "they just work" thing.

The IK/NI ones were okay sometimes for taming vocal peaks, but I always found they killed bass, and not in a good way.


ivansc

03-07-2016, 02:41 PM

Saddest thing for me is that for some reason my elderly UAD1 cards stopped showing up in the UAD software. I had a working installation up until some random update of either windows or some part of the UAD 6.1 software and I can SEE the damn plugins in Reaper`s plugin list AND Sonar`s AND Studio One`s, but the actual UAD utility shows that it is expecting to find a UAD-2 card on my system and is ignoring the UAD-1s that I actually have.
One of my absolute favourites from UAD is/was the 1176.
Looks like they are finally unusable.
Sad.
Wonder if they would still work in a Mac? (grin)


Judders

03-07-2016, 02:46 PM

Saddest thing for me is that for some reason my elderly UAD1 cards stopped showing up in the UAD software. I had a working installation up until some random update of either windows or some part of the UAD 6.1 software and I can SEE the damn plugins in Reaper`s plugin list AND Sonar`s AND Studio One`s, but the actual UAD utility shows that it is expecting to find a UAD-2 card on my system and is ignoring the UAD-1s that I actually have.
One of my absolute favourites from UAD is/was the 1176.
Looks like they are finally unusable.
Sad.
Wonder if they would still work in a Mac? (grin)

I don't have any UAD stuff, but according to their site you should still be able to use it: http://www.uaudio.com/support/uad1


ivansc

03-07-2016, 03:51 PM

Yeah - according to their site. The 2 UAD-1 pci-e cards I have WERE working fine in reaper 64bit under windows 10 64bit, but of course as 32bit plugins which is what the "old" version of UAD software was restricted to.
Then all of a sudden the red "UAD2 card not found" notifications started coming up.
I tried reinstalling the last working version o fthe UAD software and like I said everything shows up but it still refuses to "see" my UAD1 cards.
Needless to say with official support for the UAD1s ceasing some time ago, there is very little in the way of resources "out there" and a stony silence from UAD when I asked if they had any ideas.

Ah well - at least I got my moneys worth out of them when they were working...
Suspect its easier to just find good (preferably free) alternatives and move on.


gpunk_w

03-07-2016, 05:59 PM

Put them in a second old POS computer running the OS you need, and run them via REAmote, a bunch of people where doing that over the years.


ivansc

03-07-2016, 11:47 PM

Yeahbut yeahbut up until very recently I had them running just fine under win10 64bit into reaper 64bit AND Studio One AND Sonar X3.
Just need to figure out what changed and revert if I can, but with computers the cure is often worse than the disease! :D


ivansc

03-08-2016, 12:48 AM

Forgot to add: Sorry for derailing the original subject a little here.


morgon

03-08-2016, 03:26 AM

There's not much consensus having been arrived at afa plugin hierarchy so there's nothing much to derail until outstanding results are posted with technical references [imo]


Judders

03-08-2016, 04:39 AM

There's not much consensus having been arrived at afa plugin hierarchy so there's nothing much to derail until outstanding results are posted with technical references [imo]

You start! :D

Because what the internet doesn't have enough of is 1176 plugin/plugin vs. hardware shootouts and 1k sine freq plots ;)


ivansc

03-08-2016, 05:07 AM

(adopts Cadburys Smash Advert Alien voice) You are clearly a pair of toss-ers!" (ha ha ha ha ha ha)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo5Csopw0MU for non- Brits


morgon

03-08-2016, 06:26 AM

Invoking a cartoon alien auditory meme insult is of course arguably a sensible and natural progression of the thread at this stage, who but a tosser would disagree with that?


morgon

03-08-2016, 07:10 AM

You start! :D Oh anyone can have a go then? :D Ok here's how it sounds : "smoooothe, now compressing a bit harder with a soft knee, kinda funky like, kik sounding blip blip but in a good way..." that should do for now, I'm creatively exhausted, I'll twist them dials some more tmrw or next week. Oops didn't mention the make, forget which one it is though, one of those freebies.

Because what the internet doesn't have enough of is 1176 plugin/plugin vs. hardware shootouts and 1k sine freq plots ;)My bad, I didn't realize this thread was making up for some of that.



Disclaimer: I read the thread but since there wasn't much agreement on the relative merits of the plugs then without audio samples there's no real info, only opinions [imo] :D


Judders

03-08-2016, 07:39 AM

Oh anyone can have a go then? :D Ok here's how it sounds : "smoooothe, now compressing a bit harder with a soft knee, kinda funky like, kik sounding blip blip but in a good way..." that should do for now, I'm creatively exhausted, I'll twist them dials some more tmrw or next week. Oops didn't mention the make, forget which one it is though, one of those freebies.
My bad, I didn't realize this thread was making up for some of that.



Disclaimer: I read the thread but since there wasn't much agreement on the relative merits of the plugs then without audio samples there's no real info, only opinions [imo] :D

Obviously it's just opinion. There are a million A/B and technical comparisons out there, if that's what you want.


ivansc

03-08-2016, 11:02 AM

Been having a bit of a stressful day with French people deliberately pretending not to understand me, so this thread has lightened the load considerably!
Thanks for the grins, guys.


Judders

03-08-2016, 11:04 AM

Been having a bit of a stressful day with French people deliberately pretending not to understand me, so this thread has lightened the load considerably!
Thanks for the grins, guys.

Ivan, if you're smiling, I'm smiling :)


daverich

03-08-2016, 02:14 PM

I use the IK stuff, love it - buy it when they do their ridiculous bundle and it's very cheap.

Pretty much just use those and the Reacomp. :)


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